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Abortion debates, especially pertaining to abortion laws, are often spearheaded by advocacy groups belonging to one of two camps. In the United States, most often those in favor of legal prohibition of abortion describe themselves as pro-life while those against legal restrictions on abortion describe themselves as pro-choice. Both are used to indicate the central principles in arguments for and against abortion: "Is the fetus a human being with a fundamental right to life?" for pro-life advocates, and, for those who are pro-choice, "Does a woman have the right to choose whether or not to continue a pregnancy?"
In both public and private debate, arguments presented in favor of or against abortion focus on either the moral permissibility of an induced abortion, or justification of laws permitting or restricting abortion. Arguments on morality and legality tend to collide and combine, complicating the issue at hand.
Debate also focuses on whether the pregnant woman should have to notify and/or have the consent of others in distinct cases: a minor, her parents; a legally-married or common-law wife, her husband; or a pregnant woman, the biological father. In a 2003 Gallup poll in the United States, 72% of respondents were in favor of spousal notification, with 26% opposed; of those polled, 79% of males and 67% of females responded in favor.[87]
I have always been for pro-choice. It should be a woman's choice to go through the pregnancy or not. In my mind a woman should never, ever be forced to carry a baby if they have no desire to have a baby.
It's kind of a double edged sword here. Regardless, 50% of America is going to be pissed off. One of those, you can't make everyone happy, type things. But what I find funny is this...
It's a womans choice. What if the man wants the baby? Is it not his call as well? Yes the woman will carry the child but we have child support to pay if we're not around if they decide to keep it. Like what if you didn't want to keep the child but the woman did... why would you have to pay support for a child you didn't want but had no choice over?
Also, I know they draw the line at after the first tri-mester of pregnancy... But how can you draw a timeline on when a fetus actually becomes a person and it's considered cruel to have the abortion?
It's just really hard to set rules on this issue as everything is up to interpretation.
well that is not fair. If you accidentally get pregnant and the woman does not want to carry it and have it and neither does the man, then they should not have it.
Are you are saying to not have sex? That is in no way realistic in the real world. people are going to have sex and regardless of the protection they take, some will get pregnant.
Can the man carry the baby. can you think of anything even remotely comparable for a man to a woman having to carry a baby, that they do not want, for 9 months of their life, go through the pain, emotions, and much more, when they don't want to. The only thing I can think to compare it to for a man if they did not want to do something would be being in jail..
Doesn't necessarily have to be PC on here. Just wait, you'll notice a ton of stuff will not be PC on here and especially in this particular forum. Speak your mind!
I am pro-choice. I believe it's a woman's right to do whatever she wants with her body. However, I believe that if an abortion is to be performed, it should be within the first few months of pregnancy.
I don't see how it benefits anyone to have an unwanted child. I don't think a woman should be forced to carry a baby. It's not it's own person. It doesn't have it's own rights. It's leeching off the mother (until far enough into pregnancy where it could hypothetically live on its own, outside the womb).
TVDinner wrote: I have always been for pro-choice. It should be a woman's choice to go through the pregnancy or not. In my mind a woman should never, ever be forced to carry a baby if they have no desire to have a baby.
Then they should not have gotten pregnant to start with.
TVDinner wrote: well that is not fair. If you accidentally get pregnant and the woman does not want to carry it and have it and neither does the man, then they should not have it.
Are you are saying to not have sex? That is in no way realistic in the real world. people are going to have sex and regardless of the protection they take, some will get pregnant.
You should never accidentally get pregnant - if you do then you're just being irresponsible. If you accidentally get pregnant and aren't prepared to carry a child then you simply shouldn't be having sex. If they have sex then they should be prepared to handle the consenquences.
That partly makes sense, but accidents happen. People get drunk, condoms fail, people get raped..
Yes, some people are incredibly dumb and don't even try to prevent pregnancy--but it is their body. It's not the government's body and it's not anyone else's body. It would be better that the kid wasn't born rather than raised in an environment where it wasn't welcome.
roadkill wrote: That partly makes sense, but accidents happen. People get drunk, condoms fail, people get raped..
1) If they're drunk, they're being irresponsible and should have to deal with the consequences.
2) Condoms fail, but birth control and condoms don't fail at the same time.
3) Rape is a very small percentage and a very small exception. Furthermore, only 1 - 5% of rape victims become pregnant as a result of the rape. This is a stunningly small percentage.
roadkill wrote: Yes, some people are incredibly dumb and don't even try to prevent pregnancy--but it is their body. It's not the government's body and it's not anyone else's body. It would be better that the kid wasn't born rather than raised in an environment where it wasn't welcome.
Actually, it's the child's body as well. They are, in effect, making the choice to end the child's life for the child.
The argument you're presenting by saying that it's rather better to kill the child than to raise it in an environment where it isn't welcome is the worst possible argument you can present. You don't know the child will be in a bad environment - if it is you can give it up for adoption. You can't use the excuse to end the life of a child by saying that it "might have had a bad life." just think about it. That's a terrible argument.
"If they're drunk, they're being irresponsible and should have to deal with the consequences."
Some people like to have fun. If we avoided doing all the things that could possibly have "negative consequences", we'd be boring as hell. Maybe people who drive cars are being irresponsible (don't they know of the extremely high risk of traffic injuries?)
"Condoms fail, but birth control and condoms don't fail at the same time."
Some people don't like birth control. In some religions birth control is forbidden. Birth control can fail. Condoms can fail.
"Actually, it's the child's body as well. They are, in effect, making the choice to end the child's life for the child."
Actually, it's just a parasite in the mother's body. The government should have no say in what she can do to her body. The embryo/fetus (note I do not use the word "child") is leeching off the mother. They are, in effect, making the choice to not feed or host the embryo/fetus any longer.
"You can't use the excuse to end the life of a child by saying that it "might have had a bad life." just think about it. That's a terrible argument."
You're not "ending" the life, there was no "life" to begin with, provided the abortion happens early enough.
If you pull up some statistics you'll see the correlation between abortions being legal and the crime rate being lower.
I think we are all forgetting the other big question. When is a baby a baby. Because in the first few months it is nothing more then a little dot of nothingness.
Back in college we had a debate on teenage pregnancy, it was on the uprise and what could we do. Well, too many people are having 1. Unprotected Sex and 2. refer back to 1.
For the Record, I'm pro choice too. But if you don't want to become pregnant USE PROTECTION I mean it's not like there's not a wide variety of choices.
TVDinner wrote: I think we are all forgetting the other big question. When is a baby a baby. Because in the first few months it is nothing more then a little dot of nothingness.
True because if we start counting things too early... then masturbating could be considered reckless abandonment.
