I'm sure we've all heard and seen something about the conspiracy of 9/11. Well let's discuss all the conspiracies and "facts" of the incident. What do you all think? Conspiracy?
Here's some links that support the conspiracy side:
I'm not one to believe in conspiracies but all the stuff that's out there saying it as set up/planned is really disturbing and the fact that there's more "evidence" saying it was set up and less saying it wasn't, really keeps me uneasy.
I find it very hard to believe conspiracy theories, but I'm going to go with MH0825 in saying that it makes me feel uneasy as well. It makes me question reality and makes me wonder how much power the government actually has.
It's not about the power of government, but about the power of economic interests and the manner in which they control many facets of government.
There are some things about 9/11 that the mass media has pretty much glossed over that really leave me wondering.
Why was there not an immediate reaction by the Whute House to form an investigative committee? This is unheard of.
What about the "plane" that hit the pentagon ... where is the fuselage of the airplane? Have you ever seen an air traffic accident without a plane body? I don't care what kind of explosion occurred there ought to be plane pieces.
What about the hole in the side of the pentagon? I've never seen a plane crash or other crash for that matter that leaves circular holes - those are the result of rockets, not plane crashes.
The fire at the pentagon was said to burn at between 2 to 3 thousand degrees - a kerosene fire simply does not burn that hot whereas a depleted uranium (warhead) fire does.
Lastly, what about the collapse of WTC tower 7? This was a controlled demolition. Why has the news media not spent any attention on this matter? Why woudl a building two blocks away collapse while other buildings in the area were structurally sound? Fishy.
Last edited on Thu Aug 2nd, 2007 01:36 am by Toucan42
After seeing the Loose Change series I lean more towards the conspiracy theory, up until then I believed what I heard on the news.
Toucan42 has stated some of the things that don't add up to me.
And the biggest is the damage to the pentagon just seems insufficient compared to other plane crashes.
We can't dispute the fact the towers were hit by planes as this was caught on video, but what type of planes or if some other force was also involved is still an unanswered question.
If the 4 planes did not crash where are the passengers and crew?
Do we really or better still could we handle the truth if it was ever found that the government was behind the taking of so, so many innocent lives.
What do I think really happened on 9/11? We were stricken with an absolute, gut-renching, stomach-dropping tragedy that left the President of the United States a golden opportunity to wipe out those who did it, start a movement and progress towards a re-capture of morality and public support by striking and eliminating the mass targets in Afghanistan and putting pressure on those harboring on the Afghan-Pakistani border. We failed, are now killing and dying every day in Iraq and are stuck with theories about a leader who made such a drastic mistake, not guided to resolve the situation yet is somehow capable of conjuring up an executed attack on the homeland. It's all tangled up, off-sets the whole dynamics of everything and it makes me laugh.
An inside job would take longer to coordinate than nine months, let alone a suit who can't progress in the blunder we're in in Iraq, who can somehow "be responsible" for 9/11. No thanks. Not making sense to me.
Many mixed facts regarding the attacks of 9/11. Many of which are completely ridiculous and some of which that make perfect sense. There is no way in telling the truth. Some say even the government may have done it. With bush in power, anything could have happened on that day.
What about the fact that the property/building owner took out a 19 billion dollar insurance policy 2 weeks before the attack happened.
Hmm? Did they know what was ahead of them? Was it going to make them billions? Maybe it was for the money, oil, and what not? Is the a "mafia" type group behind the US?
Things that we don't know, that we may in later times.
Toucan42 wrote: It's not about the power of government, but about the power of economic interests and the manner in which they control many facets of government.
There are some things about 9/11 that the mass media has pretty much glossed over that really leave me wondering.
Why was there not an immediate reaction by the Whute House to form an investigative committee? This is unheard of.
What about the "plane" that hit the pentagon ... where is the fuselage of the airplane? Have you ever seen an air traffic accident without a plane body? I don't care what kind of explosion occurred there ought to be plane pieces.
What about the hole in the side of the pentagon? I've never seen a plane crash or other crash for that matter that leaves circular holes - those are the result of rockets, not plane crashes.
The fire at the pentagon was said to burn at between 2 to 3 thousand degrees - a kerosene fire simply does not burn that hot whereas a depleted uranium (warhead) fire does.
Lastly, what about the collapse of WTC tower 7? This was a controlled demolition. Why has the news media not spent any attention on this matter? Why woudl a building two blocks away collapse while other buildings in the area were structurally sound? Fishy. You sound like you've seen "Loose Change"
Here are some more good questions to ask -
1. How was it that they could not recover the reamins of the hijackers yet some how their passports, a koran and other of their objects somehow made it through the inferno, collapse and found in the cleanup?
2. How is it that 16 of the 19 hijackers reportedly involved in the attack are listed as alive and in Saudi Arabia and other Middle Eastern countries?
3. How come a general tied to the Pakistani Intelligence service (ISI) provided 100K to Mohammed Atta... 100k tied back to the CIA, by the way?
4. Three buildings (high rise) have collapsed from extensive fire and or explosion... WTC 1, 2 and 7.
5. WTC7 - What explanation can be made of the witnesses to a count-down before WTC7 collapsed, as well as the first responders that heard the sound of demolition charges before the building collapsed into its own footprint?
6. Why was there molten metal under these structures up to 6 or 7 months after the attack?
I could go on and on and on with things that just don't make sense about 9/11. Reports from the CFR (Council of Foreign Relations) that stated in the "new century" the US should extend its power and needed excuses to do so. Excuses that would galvanize the public behind their actions and provide support...excuses such as a vast terroist attack on US soil that would allow them to take powers that were never to be taken, violate rights that were never to be violated and commit acts of aggression that should never have taken place.
Realize that 9/11 gave public support to the "Patriot Act." A series of unrelenting violations of the Bill of Rights. Violations that suspended habeous corpus, limit the First Amendment (read 'Free Speech Zones'), eviscerate the Fourth Amendment (read 'Sneak and Peeks') and allow the Federal Government to declare pretty much anyone a 'terrorist' and scoop them off to a "black site" in a process called rendition where they can torture or incarcerate them for however long they see fit without a trial, without a lawyer, and without being read the charges against them.
Realize that 9/11 was used as the reason to invade Afghanistan and then Iraq under the guise of fighting terrorism abroad... Realize that 9/11 was used as the reason to make a partnership with Pakistan and funnel billions of dollars to the corrupt regime that rules Pakistan.
Again, in the leadup to the war in Iraq, we were told that Hussein had ties to Bin Laden, Congress held hearings, debated, and passed a law that gave the Executive (President) the right to make the decision to invade without a Congressional Declaration of war, as required by the Constituion. Not only did this law give him this power but it also ORDERED him to follow UN resolutions, thus subjugating the power of Congress to Declare War to the United Nations.
I could go on and on - but... When a crime is committed you look for two things... Motive and Opportunity.
The Motive - The chance for endless authority to exercise military power withouth Congressional oversight, the power to imprison and torture whomever is unlucky enough to become the object of their scorn and billions of dollars (our tax payer dollars) lost, laundered or used as bribery money... There are more, but I'm not going to list everything here.
The Opportunity - Most of the USAF ready response or CAP patrol units that are supposed to be at NORAD's disposal in the event of an attack were diverted to exercises far from the scene of the crime. The company in charge of security for the WTC buildings is linked to the brother of the President, and in the weeks leading up to the attacks there were numerous security drills including a weekend when every employee was kept out of the building allowing God only knows what to be done inside the building, theories are that these drills would have been a perfect time to plant demoltion charges in the buildings.
Anyway - its all out there as public information, not just conspiratorial junk. Mainstream news is relatively silent on these questions however the alternative press is quite openly asking these questions and quite openly discussing what the "Patriot Act" really does to the Bill of Rights...
Never blindly accept what you hear on the news. Ask questions. Search on Google. Do your own research and draw your own conclusions.
Thank you -
I'm not sure either - because the powers that be are very concerned with keeping the truth hidden from us... but we've got to keep prying, nagging, asking, and most importantly voting these schlups out of office
I tend to agree with the suggestions in the film Loose Change.
As for no wreckage of the Pentagon plane and the one in the field, I realize it's not an identical situation, but this is an interesting video of a controlled crash where a plane is nearly entirely atomized:
